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Tuesday, November 17, 2009

What the hell is THIS?

I ran across this while tooling around online. It is supposedly a reproduction/reinvention of Renaissance era classical dressage bits. I think it is just a bit much myself. Do the shanks REALLY need to be that long? I admit, it's neat looking, but it still seems a bit much to me.

Still doing better, had counseling last night, going back in a week. Starting to get things packed up and beginning the search for a new place. Wish me luck, you can never tell exactly what a place will be like from photos online, they look fab in the pics, then when you get there, there are broken down cars, loitering people, and trash everywhere. You just never know...


  1. Oh Gosh! Moving too? Moving is stressful enough without all the other crap. Hang in there better times are coming.

    Not one, not two, but THREE reins? I don't do dressage so can someone please enlighten me as to why anyone would need THREE sets of reins to ride a horse? It does look to be a bit much and should probably remain in the museum case and not in a modern horses mouth.

  2. I think there is just two sets of rains. The picture can be deceptive. I too had to count a couple of times. I do dressage and use a snaffle up to 2nd level were you use a double bridle.

    I think if you have to concentrate hard to put the bit together and get it into the horse's mouth then it is too much. I can not even begin on the picture of it out of the horse's mouth.

    Glad to hear you are in counseling and getting help to work through all this that you have been going through. Good luck on finding a place.

  3. Three sets of reins is ridiculous. And two bits? I think if you need that much crap on your horse's head to control it you haven't trained it well enough. And I've never been a fan of bradoon type bits. I don't know, I'm not saying this cruel in any way if used by the right rider, but I still agree in the fact that I think it's overkill much.

  4. The picture is a bit deceptive. It looks like three sets of reins, but it is only two. I had to go back and count. This doesn't really seem useful. It seems more like compensating for a lack of length elsewhere.

    I'm glad to hear you're taking care of yourself, Tacky. ;-) Best of luck with your search.

  5. The photo with the translucent "3rd" rein looks very Escher!! hee hee

    I think it's just to represent the rein on the far side.

    I think whoever invented this wanted a full bridle effect with only one bit. Basically, the bradoon is connected to the curb, so it's like a Kimberwicke-bridoon-Pelham hybrid or something. Except there's no rein connected to it...

    It's not inherently BAD, just a lot of metal to little real effect.

    No wonder it went out of style....

    How come the WOMAN always has to move out when it's the GUY who wants out of the relationship?? *grumble*

    What did Ivana Trump say? "Don't get mad, get EVERYTHING."

    Sorry, but when you're blindsided by your supposed life-partner, then you're within your rights to demand justice. That ain't revenge, that's FAIR.

    *hugs* Dang, I don't even know you and I feel all righteously indignant!! Party on!

  6. Well, he gets the house, but I get the furniture, and in reality, the place is far more than I alone need or can handle.

  7. That is one interesting contraption.... I swear, the horses back then had tough mouths.

    Good luck to you! I hope you get a great place with a nice and safe neighborhood.

  8. Quite the setup...back in the time of course, horses could spend years getting to the level of wearing a bit like this (same as the vaquero horses learn to use those big spade bits over many years when done right)...they would not need a ton of contact (think real loose western reins) and on less refined horses they would use the "snaffle" (sure weird connection on that bit though) to slowly transition to the curb. Course now days, any idjot with money can buy one and totally trash their horse's mouth with something like this...sighhhh...
    Good luck on a home search and glad you are feeling a bit better. This too shall pass and you will be the stronger for it :) He didn't deserve you anyway! of the reasons I am still single...some men can be SO treacherous...

  9. It probably is exactly what they say it is...snag is, now people will try to use it without the years of training required to effectively use such a bit without harming the horse (just like a spade bit or a double bridle).

  10. I am currently attempting to learn more about how bits work. As far as I can tell in catalogs (I've never used them), most double-bit set ups do not have the connection between the snaffle/bridoon and the curb. Am I correct? What would be the outcome of this connection? Can someone explain the physics to me? I never took that class. :)

    I agree the way the photo is taken it looks like there are two sets of reins on the curb shanks, but there are just two sets of reins total.

    Also, I've watched the Myler video "A Whole Bit Better" which is a fabulous sales pitch for them and not much else. Can anyone recommend other sources for understanding bitting?

    Hang in there, Friend. The fates never close a door without opening a window.

  11. I find it funny that this is a supposed dressage bit but those look like western reins to me. Makes me wonder what their really using it for.

    And good for you to staying strong. I know when my Ex left it took me a while to get through all the crap. Not only what your thinking and feeling but then EVERYONE around you wants the whole story. Reliving it to tell was not my favorite thing. Hugs and I pray that all will be well.

  12. Stay strong & please know that horsey chicks stick together... you WILL come out on the other side better than how you went in !!

    And... crazy bit. Phew. Looks like you could crack walnuts with it.

  13. Very unusual bit. Lots of potential for mis-use. Stay tough Tacky Tack girl.

  14. Is there a website with this for sale? I'd love to see it!

  15. That bit got me curious and poking around on the net...look what I found there from an "antique" bit dealer... these two and in the wrong hands...ouch! Even in the "right" hands I see no need for them...
    We'll start with the "mild" non-curb first:
    And then go to the "advanced" curb bit...and we though the double bridle bit had a bunch of stuff to figure out where it went...

  16. Cattypex,

    I may be misunderstanding your post, but: there are two mouth pieces, not one, like a pelham or kimberwicke. Look closely at the picture of just the bit. It just has a very odd bit connecting end for the bradoon portion, so it can slide vertically in the mouth. While technically connected to the curb (via the curb chain connection), it looks to have a lot of independant play since it swings from the curb connection, and can slide within the... whatever the heck that ending is. It looks like a straight bar bradoon, and a very high ported curb.
    Also, the translucent rein seems just the turn of the leather and the lighting. The two reins on the botttom are regular reins, but the perspective is just right that it looks like the far side rein is actually a ring and rein on the closer side. The pic of just the bit shows where the rings actually are. =)

    There should be good books at your library that explain some of the bits better... Older hunter and equitation books are your best bet. What the catalogs try to tell you is what it takes to sell you ;~) And yes, with a true double bridle the bits are on two seperate cheekpieces. It will have a bradoon (snaffle bit) that is smaller than a standard snaffle so that it will fit with the curb (both in the mouth and outside, for appearances). It is bad form to use a bradoon as the sole bit. The premise is having taught a horse acceptance of the bit and cues with the snaffle, the curb is added to provide more precise control over impulsion and breakover at the poll. Curb bits, with the leverage they exert to the poll and the pressure put on the chin via the curb chain, encourage a horse to break at the poll. Curbs are not so good for steering (the leverage of the shanks ruins the plow rein type of steering), so western riders maintained the impulsion control working at pace using a curb, and the simplicity of one rein by teaching the horse neckreining. English use of the double means steering and contact through the snaffle, and more precise control of forward movement and head position through the curb.

    Sorry so long

    Sorrry for all the crap the ignoramous is putting you through. Remember you are important and loved to many of us.

  17. I had a nightmare last night about someone using this bit on my mare I was really pissed off, and when I got up I was still all angry.

    Tacky Tack of the Day, you have officially gotten into my head, I am now dreaming about the things you post.

  18. This picture was taken at an unfortunate angle, making a complicated bit look even worse. The "translucent" rein isn't really translucent, it just happens to be the only rein that is in full sun... and it's the top rein on the near side, attached to the snaffle/bridoon. The second rein from the bottom is attached to the bottom of the far-side shank, but because of the photo angle that shank is exactly behind the near-side shank, making it look as if the shank ring is attached to the middle of the near-side shank, when it's really not.

  19. Yeah, I rambled... what I meant by "pelham/Kimberwicke" comment was that this requires 2 reins, but on the ONE bit...

    I don't remember why I said Kimberwicke though, unless I was referring to the metal bar under the bridoonish part that looks like a curb-chain-like leverage piece?

    It's a weird mouthful of metal to be sure. I guess it would work OK in very skilled, light hands, but it seeems like a lot of wasted effort - if you want the same effect, a modern full bridle is quite complicated enough!

    It would make a pretty decoration, though.

    Speaking of vaquero training, I'd love to go to a Sheila Varian clinic (if she does them), or one by this guy: just to assuage my curiosity.

  20. Cattypex,

    Go to youtube and look at "Merlin the amazing horse"... sort of extreme dressage, except for the bull. The horse is absolutely lovely. There a re a few other videos of him, training, etc.

  21. Hi! Long shanks aren't sharper than short shanks. Long shanks warn a long time before they bite - short shanks bite the moment you use the rein.
    Greetings, Kata

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